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TheWayfaringFox at 02:19, 15 October 2026

2026-10-15T02:19:41Z

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	* When songs are shuffled among songs, the item cannot be a song that's solely for access to vanilla remains or Majora. To be eligible for WotH, a song must lock a required randomized item or an unavoidable set of important randomized items. This special rule is ignored when '''Mix Songs with Items''' is on; there, it's easier for dungeon songs to be WotH.		* When songs are shuffled among songs, the item cannot be a song that's solely for access to vanilla remains or Majora. To be eligible for WotH, a song must lock a required randomized item or an unavoidable set of important randomized items. This special rule is ignored when '''Mix Songs with Items''' is on; there, it's easier for dungeon songs to be WotH.
	* The item cannot be the Fierce Deity's Mask or Giant's Mask for the purpose of defeating Twinmold. ''(They can be WotH for '''other''' purposes if the settings allow for it! But this is unconventional.)''		* The item cannot be the Fierce Deity's Mask or Giant's Mask for the purpose of defeating Twinmold. ''(They can be WotH for '''other''' purposes if the settings allow for it! But this is unconventional.)''
	* The item cannot be a Boss Remains, Boss Key, Small Key~~, or dungeon Stray Fairy~~ shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples. ''(They can be WotH if shuffled anywhere and otherwise unhinted.)''		* The item cannot be a Boss Remains, Boss Key, or Small Key shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples. ''(They can be WotH if shuffled anywhere and otherwise unhinted.)''
	* The item cannot be a randomized bottle scoop.		* Stray Fairies and Gold Skulltula Tokens are exempt due to any instances of required Great Fairy and Skulltula House Rewards.
			* The item cannot be a randomized bottle scoop, as bottle scoops are not assigned to specific regions.

	A region with an already-hinted or otherwise un-WotH-able item can still be WotH, but only for a ''different'' item.		A region with an already-hinted or otherwise un-WotH-able item can still be WotH, but only for a ''different'' item.

FifthWhammy: add Moon Gossips overview, plus mention of peeks/text

2026-08-10T23:09:59Z

add Moon Gossips overview, plus mention of peeks/text

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 WotH hints are not probabilistic. Regions with multiple required items are not any more likely to be chosen for a WotH hint.
-The '''Importance Count''' option causes WotH hints to instead state the total number of required and important items in that region. However, allrules and exceptions for WotH hints remain in effect: there must still be at least one required WotH-eligible item.
+The '''Importance Count''' option causes WotH hints to instead state the total number of required and important items in that region. However, all rules and exceptions for WotH hints remain in effect: there must still be at least one required WotH-eligible item.
 ===Foolish hints===
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 The hints will provide full counts for every region with at least one matching item. Unlike with other region hints, multilocation checks can be hinted multiple times this way!

FifthWhammy: mention probabilistic foolishes (and the lack thereof for WotHs)

2026-08-05T03:54:34Z

mention probabilistic foolishes (and the lack thereof for WotHs)

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	Each region may only be hinted WotH once.		Each region may only be hinted WotH once.

			WotH hints are not probabilistic. Regions with multiple required items are not any more likely to be chosen for a WotH hint.

	The '''Importance Count''' option causes WotH hints to instead state the total number of required and important items in that region. However, allrules and exceptions for WotH hints remain in effect: there must still be at least one required WotH-eligible item.		The '''Importance Count''' option causes WotH hints to instead state the total number of required and important items in that region. However, allrules and exceptions for WotH hints remain in effect: there must still be at least one required WotH-eligible item.
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	* Boss Remains, Boss Keys, Small Keys, and dungeon Stray Fairies that are shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples '''are ignored by foolish hints'''!		* Boss Remains, Boss Keys, Small Keys, and dungeon Stray Fairies that are shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples '''are ignored by foolish hints'''!
	* Scoops are ignored by foolish hints, whether randomized or not.		* Scoops are ignored by foolish hints, whether randomized or not.

			Foolish hints are probabilistic. Regions with more checks are more likely to be chosen for a foolish hint when they do qualify.

	The '''Importance Count''' option causes foolish hints to instead state that the region has zero important items (and foolish-except-song hints to state that the region has one important song), but they otherwise still function just like foolish hints.		The '''Importance Count''' option causes foolish hints to instead state that the region has zero important items (and foolish-except-song hints to state that the region has one important song), but they otherwise still function just like foolish hints.

FifthWhammy: clarify song WotH rule, mention IC, add Garo/Remains/Oath/Fairies

2026-08-05T03:49:32Z

clarify song WotH rule, mention IC, add Garo/Remains/Oath/Fairies

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 ==Termina Gossip Stones==
-''The following is for the '''Competitive''' hint distribution option.''
+''The following is for the '''Competitive''' hint distribution option, which is used in practically all competitive settings.''
 There are 24 standalone Gossip Stones throughout Termina proper, plus four "gossip grottos" in Termina Field containing four Gossips each. In MMR, each Termina Field gossip grotto will receive the same four blocks of text, making for a total of 28 Gossip slots.
-MMR can place 14 different Gossip Stone hints. Each hint will have two copies, and if the hint is for a required item, both copies of the hint will be accessible before that item is needed.
+MMR can place 14 different Gossip Stone hints. Each hint will have two copies, and if the hint is for a required item, both copies of the hint will be accessible before that item is needed. (This applies to both location hints and Way of the Hero hints.)
 The '''Free hints''' option allows players to read Gossip Stone hints without the Mask of Truth. The '''Clear hints''' option will cause the hints to give exact names of items and checks.
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 * The item cannot be already hinted by another Termina Gossip Stone location hint or another enabled region hint.
-* Unless '''Mix Songs with Items''' is on, the item cannot be a song that doesn't lock a required randomized item or an unavoidable set of important randomized items. Songs can't be WotH solely for access to vanilla remains or Majora.
+* When songs are shuffled among songs, the item cannot be a song that's solely for access to vanilla remains or Majora. To be eligible for WotH, a song must lock a required randomized item or an unavoidable set of important randomized items. This special rule is ignored when '''Mix Songs with Items''' is on; there, it's easier for dungeon songs to be WotH.
 * The item cannot be the Fierce Deity's Mask or Giant's Mask for the purpose of defeating Twinmold. ''(They can be WotH for '''other''' purposes if the settings allow for it! But this is unconventional.)''
 * The item cannot be a Boss Remains, Boss Key, Small Key, or dungeon Stray Fairy shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples. ''(They can be WotH if shuffled anywhere and otherwise unhinted.)''
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 Each region may only be hinted WotH once.
 ===Foolish hints===
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 '''Foolish''' hints name a region that does not have any required or important items that are fully randomized.
-A special variant of the foolish hint is the '''Foolish Except for Song''' hint, which names a region with only one relevant song and no other required or important randomized items. The song may be required or important.
+A special variant of the foolish hint is the '''Foolish Except for Song''' hint, which names a region with only one relevant song and no other required or important randomized items. The song may be required or important. A foolish-except-song region cannot be hinted WotH too.
 Some considerations and exceptions:
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 * Boss Remains, Boss Keys, Small Keys, and dungeon Stray Fairies that are shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples '''are ignored by foolish hints'''!
 * Scoops are ignored by foolish hints, whether randomized or not.

FifthWhammy: Initial Hints page: intro, importance, gossip hints

2026-08-05T03:03:09Z

Initial Hints page: intro, importance, gossip hints

New page

MMR adds various hints throughout the game to help players through seeds. The exact types of hints available in each seed will depend on the hint settings, which can be found in the seed generator's '''Comfort''' tab.

Hints are determined only after randomizing the rest of the seed. Only '''randomized''' checks and items will be hinted.

MMR will take enabled victory modes into account when determining importance and hints.

==Importance==
After placing all items, MMR evaluates every randomized check for its value in logically progressing through the seed. This is called importance. MMR uses importance to determine what Way of the Hero and Foolish hints are possible, and it will be mentioned in location hints if the '''Indicate Importance''' option is on.

For items with multiple copies, every individual copy could have different importance. For multi-location checks, every individual location can have different importance.

* An item and check are '''required''' if the item must be obtained on that check and at that location in order to logically complete the seed.
* An item and check are '''important''' if obtaining the item on that check and at that location would help with progression through the seed, but there is at least one alternative available.

==Termina Gossip Stones==
''The following is for the '''Competitive''' hint distribution option.''

There are 24 standalone Gossip Stones throughout Termina proper, plus four "gossip grottos" in Termina Field containing four Gossips each. In MMR, each Termina Field gossip grotto will receive the same four blocks of text, making for a total of 28 Gossip slots.

MMR can place 14 different Gossip Stone hints. Each hint will have two copies, and if the hint is for a required item, both copies of the hint will be accessible before that item is needed.

The '''Free hints''' option allows players to read Gossip Stone hints without the Mask of Truth. The '''Clear hints''' option will cause the hints to give exact names of items and checks.

===Location hints===
<code>Apparently Butler brings a Blast Mask (not required)...</code>

'''Location hints''' name a specific check and the item on that check. If '''Indicate Importance''' is on, the hint will add "(required)" if the item is required, or "(not required)" otherwise. '''A "(not required)" item could still be important!''' For instance, it's possible for both Gibdo Mask and Garo's Mask to be stated as "(not required)" in the same seed.

A location hint can name multiple related checks at once. Aliens Defense and Cremia are a popular example.

MMR allows location hints to be customized. Competitive settings commonly divide location hints into two tiers:

* '''Always hints''' are given in every seed. Runners won't have to do an always-hinted check unless they find a hint that says otherwise.
* '''Sometimes hints''' are not given in every seed. Runners still have to consider sometimes-hinted checks when the check isn't hinted.

Some competitive settings use ''rotating always hints'', in which only a certain number of always hints are actually given in the seed and the leftover always-tier checks are junked. The effect is the same for runners: they still needn't do always-hinted checks unless told otherwise. (MMR will ensure that the number of required and important items placed on always-tier checks won't exceed the specified number of hint slots!)

===Way of the Hero hints===
<code>It appears Pinnacle Rock is on the Way of the Hero...</code>

'''Way of the Hero''' hints (or "WotHs" for short) name a region that is guaranteed to have at least one required randomized item.

There are a few exceptions:

* The item cannot be already hinted by another Termina Gossip Stone location hint or another enabled region hint.
* Unless '''Mix Songs with Items''' is on, the item cannot be a song that doesn't lock a required randomized item or an unavoidable set of important randomized items. Songs can't be WotH solely for access to vanilla remains or Majora.
* The item cannot be the Fierce Deity's Mask or Giant's Mask for the purpose of defeating Twinmold. ''(They can be WotH for '''other''' purposes if the settings allow for it! But this is unconventional.)''
* The item cannot be a Boss Remains, Boss Key, Small Key, or dungeon Stray Fairy shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples. ''(They can be WotH if shuffled anywhere and otherwise unhinted.)''
* The item cannot be a randomized bottle scoop.

A region with an already-hinted or otherwise un-WotH-able item can still be WotH, but only for a ''different'' item.

Each region may only be hinted WotH once.

===Foolish hints===
<code>They say Beneath the Well is a foolish choice...</code>

'''Foolish''' hints name a region that does not have any required or important items that are fully randomized.

A special variant of the foolish hint is the '''Foolish Except for Song''' hint, which names a region with only one relevant song and no other required or important randomized items. The song may be required or important.

Some considerations and exceptions:
* Non-randomized items in that region may still be needed. Some examples include boss remains, potions from West Clock Town, and Magic Beans from the Deku Palace Bean Man.
* Boss Remains, Boss Keys, Small Keys, and dungeon Stray Fairies that are shuffled specifically among Great Fairy Rewards or Temples '''are ignored by foolish hints'''!
* Scoops are ignored by foolish hints, whether randomized or not.